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Date: November 30, 2004
From: Enrico Zini <enrico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 08:41:29AM +0100, Sergio Talens-Oliag wrote: > I've seen that there will be a workshop about > translation/internationalisation > efforts and custom distributions on the Ubuntu Conference that is going to > take place in Mataró: > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Conference > The workshop will be the 11th of December (Saturday): > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MataroSessionsWorkshops > I'll try to attend, but I'm not sure if I will be able to. > Anyway I'm sure the Workshop will be interesting, if anyone is able to go > and can report later what's going on with Ubuntu that would be great. I'll be at the conference, but unfortunately I'll have to leave on the 9th. Ciao, Enrico -- GPG key: 1024D/797EBFAB 2000-12-05 Enrico Zini <enrico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: November 30, 2004
From: Sergio Talens-Oliag <sto@xxxxxxxxxx>
Hello all,
I've seen that there will be a workshop about translation/internationalisation
efforts and custom distributions on the Ubuntu Conference that is going to
take place in Mataró:
http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Conference
The workshop will be the 11th of December (Saturday):
http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MataroSessionsWorkshops
I'll try to attend, but I'm not sure if I will be able to.
Anyway I'm sure the Workshop will be interesting, if anyone is able to go
and can report later what's going on with Ubuntu that would be great.
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Date: November 27, 2004
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Otavio Salvador wrote: > || On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:11:53 +0100 > || Enrico Zini <enrico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > ez> Hello, > ez> On December and January I'll happen to be visiting people in Taiwan, and > ez> to keep myself busy I'm scheduling a talk or two. > > Really good :-) I know Taiwan is an annoying chore that you must do, so if you would like I can go there for you, to take this burden from your hands. > ez> After the announcement, a question: it seems that the National Center > ez> for High Performance Computing[1] could be interested in knowing about > ez> Custom Debians as well. Do you know if there is someone working on CDDs > ez> for clusters or other kinds of high performance computing environments? Have you seen ClusterKnoppix? It is Knoppix with Openmosix installed... it is really quite amazing for computer labs to share resources. micah
Date: November 26, 2004
From: Andrew Lee <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I heard of some people in NTU is building a easy install usb disk for clusters installation, I not sure where to find the details, but you may contact the author: Hsieh, Tung-Han <thhsieh@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ----------------[ Taiwan Linux Users Group ]---------------- Andrew Lee (李健秋) http://wiki.debian.org.tw Winkler Partners http://www.winklerpartners.com My phone@work: +886 2 2311 2345 cell: +886 968749 055 Wild at Heart Legal Defense Association http://ecosophy.org On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, C. Gatzemeier wrote: > Am Friday 26 November 2004 12:11 schrieb Enrico Zini: > > > ??Do you know if there is someone working on CDDs > > for clusters or other kinds of high performance computing environments? > > Not really, maybe cluster knoppix is related? > > Cheers, > Christian > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-custom-REQUEST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: November 26, 2004
From: Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> >Thanks to the recent work by Vagrant, > Which work. Did I missed something? sorry, most of my talk has been on the debian-nonprofit lists, but it's probably more appropriate here... basically, i wrote a few crude scripts to create a limited CDD giving it a list of packages and debconf selections, and it builds a debian-installer CD with which to install them. it doesn't cover all the things you might want to do with a CDD, but gives you package selection and some pre-configuration with debconf preseeding. it's still pretty rough, but if you'd like to look at it: svn co svn://svn.debian.org/svn/debian-np/people/vagrant/simple-cdd i may have checked in some code last night that broke it trying to implement simple profiles, so it may not be working at the moment :( live well, vagrant
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Date: November 26, 2004
From: Otavio Salvador <otavio@xxxxxxxxxx>
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|| On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:11:53 +0100
|| Enrico Zini <enrico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
ez> Hello,
ez> On December and January I'll happen to be visiting people in Taiwan, and
ez> to keep myself busy I'm scheduling a talk or two.
Really good :-)
ez> After the announcement, a question: it seems that the National Center
ez> for High Performance Computing[1] could be interested in knowing about
ez> Custom Debians as well. Do you know if there is someone working on CDDs
ez> for clusters or other kinds of high performance computing environments?
This is one area where I want to work but to this some changes need to
be done at d-i side to include a cluster image installed and other
specific things.
At Conisli, one person from one Universaty called me and will join
Debian-BR-CDD to work on it in a near future. :-)
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Date: November 26, 2004
From: "C. Gatzemeier" <c.gatzemeier@xxxxxxxx>
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Am Friday 26 November 2004 12:11 schrieb Enrico Zini: > Do you know if there is someone working on CDDs > for clusters or other kinds of high performance computing environments? Not really, maybe cluster knoppix is related? Cheers, Christian
Date: November 26, 2004
From: Andreas Tille <tillea@xxxxxx>
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Enrico Zini wrote:
Of course I will talk (among other things) about Custom Debians, and I will try to spread the word and get people to join the party.
:)
Thanks to the recent work by Vagrant,
Which work. Did I missed something?
After the announcement, a question: it seems that the National Center for High Performance Computing[1] could be interested in knowing about Custom Debians as well. Do you know if there is someone working on CDDs for clusters or other kinds of high performance computing environments?
Don't know. Just explain them how to start ...
Kind regards
Andreas.
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Date: November 26, 2004
From: Enrico Zini <enrico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hello, On December and January I'll happen to be visiting people in Taiwan, and to keep myself busy I'm scheduling a talk or two. Of course I will talk (among other things) about Custom Debians, and I will try to spread the word and get people to join the party. Thanks to the recent work by Vagrant, I'll probably be able to show a super-easy way in and give people a chance to dive right into the game. After the announcement, a question: it seems that the National Center for High Performance Computing[1] could be interested in knowing about Custom Debians as well. Do you know if there is someone working on CDDs for clusters or other kinds of high performance computing environments? Ciao, Enrico [1] http://www.nchc.org.tw/ A project of them is http://drbl.nchc.org.tw/ which Vagrant may be interested in. Also Clonezilla (linked from that page) seems interesting (it mentions Symantec Ghost and Multicast... yum yum yum!) And those are not penguins, I've been told, but penguin-dragons! -- GPG key: 1024D/797EBFAB 2000-12-05 Enrico Zini <enrico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: November 17, 2004
From: Florian Fischer <heinzmarder@xxxxxxxx>
Hello,I finished my Diploma Thesis about a Debian-eGov CDD and the results are available at:
http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?Debian-eGov There is also a Live-CD Image based on Debian/Sarge and Knoppix. specs: Gnome 2.6 - Desktop OpenOffice 1.1.1 - Office Suite NX-Client - Terminalclient Ximian Evolution, Thunderbird - eMailclients Firefox, Galeon, Mozilla - Webbrowsers Seahorse - GnuPG-Manager Gaim - Instant Messenger Gimp2 - Gfx-App. Firestarter - local Firewall Thuban & Quantum Gis - GIS Applications Wine - Windows emulation and much more... Ciao, Florian
Date: November 15, 2004
From: "Marco Presi" <zufus@xxxxxxxxxx>
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|| On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:36:57 +0100
|| Enrico Zini <enrico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
ez> Hello, I'm trying to learn my way with debpartial-mirror
ez> while trying to make a supersimple make-a-simple-cdd
ez> tutorial.
ez> Goal: make a debian-installer installation CD that installs
ez> nothing but the base system.
ez> How I did it:
ez> I "apt-get install debpartial-mirror" from unstable
ez> I configured it like this:
ez> [mirror]
ez> server=http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/
ez> local_directory=./mirror/
ez> get_suggests=true
ez> get_recomends=true
ez> get_provides=true
ez> archs=i386
ez> [sarge]
ez> filter=main:-:-
ez> include-task=/usr/share/debian-cd/tasks/debian-installer
ez> # Will include more things later as I get this to work
The file I used is:
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[mirror]
# mirror origin server
server=http://ftp.bononia.it/debian/
#server=http://ftp.debian.org/debian/
# mirror destiny directory
local_directory=/var/cache/debian-np-cdtool/raw-data-mirror/
# extra files list to be downloaded (this accepts regular expressions)
files=README doc/ tools/ indices/ dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/
[...]
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I suppose "include-task" param wants a file that contains a list (one
per line) of packages that have to be dowloaded.
ez> I'm stuck, and there's no documentation on the config file format.
ez> Where am I wrong?
Hope this help.
Ciao Ciao
Marco
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Date: November 15, 2004
From: Enrico Zini <enrico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 05:36:57PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
> [sarge]
> filter=main:-:-
Solved: this should be:
filter=main:-:- main/debian-installer:-:-
Thanks to Vagrant for pointing me in the right direction!
Ciao,
Enrico
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Date: November 15, 2004
From: Enrico Zini <enrico@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hello,
I'm trying to learn my way with debpartial-mirror while trying to make a
supersimple make-a-simple-cdd tutorial.
Goal: make a debian-installer installation CD that installs nothing but
the base system.
How I did it:
I "apt-get install debpartial-mirror" from unstable
I configured it like this:
[mirror]
server=http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/
local_directory=./mirror/
get_suggests=true
get_recomends=true
get_provides=true
archs=i386
[sarge]
filter=main:-:-
include-task=/usr/share/debian-cd/tasks/debian-installer
# Will include more things later as I get this to work
I run debpartial-mirror and how I have this:
enrico@marvin:~/dev/deb/cddtest$ find mirror/
mirror/
mirror/dists
mirror/dists/sarge
mirror/dists/sarge/Release
mirror/dists/sarge/Release.gpg
mirror/dists/sarge/main
mirror/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386
mirror/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Release
mirror/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
mirror/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages
mirror/dists/sarge/Contents-i386.gz
The debian-installer packages didn't come down, and I thought they
should have come down, as I did the include-task with the
debian-installer packages.
I'm stuck, and there's no documentation on the config file format.
Where am I wrong?
Ciao,
Enrico
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Date: November 09, 2004
From: David Moreno Garza <damog@xxxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 10:56 +0100, Mario Fux wrote: > Good morning > > [snip] > > Because I really don't like it to not answer to emails here only a short > answer: > > I still don't want to discuss (about this work). > And yes, perhaps I dream and perhaps it won't work. > But hey, it's my time and money and hardware and so let's try it. > > The only thing I can do is to learn something (what's never bad). You have nothing to explain. If somebody doesn't support and troll on the lists, good for him/her. It's truly appreciated your particular support to free software. -- David Moreno Garza <damog@xxxxxxxxx> | http://www.damog.net/ GPG: 356E16CD - 84F0 E180 8AF6 E8D0 842F B520 63F3 08DB 356E 16CD We live in an age when pizza gets to your home before the police.
Date: November 09, 2004
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Hi Mario,
I still don't want to discuss (about this work).
I think it must be discussed. :)
For every problem exists a solution. Because if not, there isn't any problem!And yes, perhaps I dream and perhaps it won't work.
Try. I discussed your Idea with a friend of mine. He is a big Suse User und his Company also. He loves Debian but Suse/Yast2 is a standard in Germany and german Companys. Don't ask me why ;)But hey, it's my time and money and hardware and so let's try it.
So there should'nt be a question if we need Yast2 as Debian Users. There are so many eMail-applications-packages in Debian. So why not another tool to configure the System?
So keep on working and don't give any to stupid answers.I'm also working on designing a Debian-eGov CDD. But it's only a concept in my diploma-thesis.
I would like to integrate yast2 into it, if its ready. A first example Live-CD exists: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?Debian-eGov cu Florian F.
Date: November 08, 2004
From: Mario Fux <foxman@xxxxxxx>
Am Sonntag, 7. November 2004 15.32 schrieb Jaldhar H. Vyas: Good morning First of all. The further discussion for the porting work will be consolidated on the debian-desktop lists only. > > Abstract: > > I search a person (or more than one) who is interested to port Yast2 from > > Novell/SuSE to Debian. I'd like to spend some money and/or hardware for > > this task (I can't spend that much because I'm a student who lives from > > grants) and perhaps some organizational help. > > Dear Mario, > > I was until recently the Debian maintainer of webmin/usermin. I have > filed an ITP (Intent to Package) for Yast2. And I intend to look into it, > the hold up at the moment is I am expecting the birth of a baby boy almost Oh, that's nice. And that's more important than some software. I wish you and your wife all the best for the birth of your baby boy. > any day now. Certainly financial help would speed things up a little but > thats the main block. > > The first time I brought this up there were concerns about the license > iirc but according to a Novell rep I talked to once, they do intend it to Which Novell rep? I thought the license of YaST2 is the GNU GPL. > be used by other distros so we can hopefully count on them to help resolve Good to here. I hope they are interested in code to make YaST2 more portable. > any problems. I doubt if they would contribute any money though but > asking is worth a try. That's the same way I think. > It's going to take a _lot_ of work to adapt yast2 to Debian, more than > just tweaking a few config files. Ok, but what means "a _lot_ of work" in a timely fashion: - One-man-year? - A few weeks of hard work? I think, YaST2 is quite modular. This way the porting could be in levels. Say, first the skeleton/framework and then the single modules. So we could show something working relatively soon? > > This (or a similar) email goes to the following mailinglists (I'm > > subscribed to all of them): > > - debian-desktop [3] > > - debian-devel [4] > > - kalyxo and kalyxo-devel [5] & [6] > > - debian-cdd [7] > > We should probably consolidate discussion on, say, debian-desktop. See above. Thx Mario
Date: November 08, 2004
From: Mario Fux <foxman@xxxxxxx>
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Good morning [snip] Because I really don't like it to not answer to emails here only a short answer: I still don't want to discuss (about this work). And yes, perhaps I dream and perhaps it won't work. But hey, it's my time and money and hardware and so let's try it. The only thing I can do is to learn something (what's never bad). (See this as an answer for further discussions too ;-). thx and all a good beginning of the week Mario
Date: November 07, 2004
From: Alex de Landgraaf <alex@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 14:25 +0100, Mario Fux wrote: > Good morning Good evening! > I search a person (or more than one) who is interested to port Yast2 from > Novell/SuSE to Debian. I'd like to spend some money and/or hardware for this > task (I can't spend that much because I'm a student who lives from grants) > and perhaps some organizational help. Although this has been on my wishlist too (I've been wanting to use code/ideas for my own distro), I must agree with Michelle that it's slightly short-sighted to focus on YaST2. There are many projects and distros that accomplish (parts of) the same (GST, NetworkManager, Redhat's config tools, Mandrake's, Config4GNU, Progeny's python-based Configlets, even a few tools I hacked together for Morphix). If you want to gain support for porting YaST2, you'll have to do that what you didn't want in the first place: discuss why you want this, what would be the focus and under what flag you want to do this. Only in this way will you get enough people behind you (you'll still have to 'show the code' first though) Personally, I see more in DebianControlCenter. It's more modular and flexible than any of the existing tools (even GST). The problem with this is that there's no code yet, but the ideas are spot-on. I guess that explains my main problem with Debian: lots of good ideas and talk, not enough code ;-) rant on, Alex -- /------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Alex de Landgraaf | I disapprove of what you say, | | Student AI & CS, VU, A'dam | but will defend to the death your | | Phone: 06-16844084 | right to say it | | GPG: http://www.alextreme.org/key_alex.asc /'-'\ | | www.alextreme.org & www.morphix.org ( o o ) | \------------------------------------------oOO0--(_)--0OOo---------/
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Date: November 07, 2004
From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Am 2004-11-07 14:25:25, schrieb Mario Fux: > Good morning > > Abstract: > I search a person (or more than one) who is interested to port Yast2 > from > Novell/SuSE to Debian. I'd like to spend some money and/or hardware > for this For what ? > Because Yast2's source code become free for some time now I see a > chance to > port a well-known (by new users) tool to my preferred distribution. ??? For a new $USER nothing is well known. They can Debian nativ tools too. > 1. Contact me (by private email or mailinglist) and tell me something about > your intentions and skills (and work you've already done for e.g. Debian). ? For what ? > 2. Clarification about the license of YaST2 and it's location on the web. > See if Novell/SuSE is interested to contribute or at least help to port Yast2 > (make it more portable and widely used => becoming an industry standard). Industrial Standard ? Are you dreaming ? > 3. Look into the source code to see what work needs to be done. Amount of the > work. Say me how much money or hardware or help do you expect from me. Thats stupid... > Can YaST2 work with Debian even if you change some conf files by hand? NO > 4. Port YaST2 to Debian. No thanks > 5. Maintain and enhance YaST2 for Debian. For what ? We have enough tools > Thanks and greets > Mario Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/88452356 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com)
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Date: November 07, 2004
From: Mario Fux <foxman@xxxxxxx>
Good morning Abstract: I search a person (or more than one) who is interested to port Yast2 from Novell/SuSE to Debian. I'd like to spend some money and/or hardware for this task (I can't spend that much because I'm a student who lives from grants) and perhaps some organizational help. Longer version: I like or better love Debian but Debian still lacks some features to become a good desktop distribution. One thing is an admin tool. There are other tools in development for this task (KaST [1], DControl [2], etc.) which I don't want to substitute with YaST for Debian but to complete. Because Yast2's source code become free for some time now I see a chance to port a well-known (by new users) tool to my preferred distribution. But my programming skills are too poor and so the only thing I can offer to bring YaST2 to Debian is some money or hardware and organizational help. This (or a similar) email goes to the following mailinglists (I'm subscribed to all of them): - debian-desktop [3] - debian-devel [4] - kalyxo and kalyxo-devel [5] & [6] - debian-cdd [7] If you think there are other lists which could be valuable please forward this mail to these lists. So if you're interested and have the skills to port YaST2 to Debian, contact me. But please, first read the following tasks or levels. For the work or porting of YaST2 I see the following levels: 1. Contact me (by private email or mailinglist) and tell me something about your intentions and skills (and work you've already done for e.g. Debian). 2. Clarification about the license of YaST2 and it's location on the web. See if Novell/SuSE is interested to contribute or at least help to port Yast2 (make it more portable and widely used => becoming an industry standard). 3. Look into the source code to see what work needs to be done. Amount of the work. Say me how much money or hardware or help do you expect from me. Can YaST2 work with Debian even if you change some conf files by hand? 4. Port YaST2 to Debian. 5. Maintain and enhance YaST2 for Debian. And here a last thing: I'm not interested in a discussion about the sense of this work (but nonetheless you can discuss this ;-) but in the search of skilled people to work on this tasks. Thanks and greets Mario [1] http://www.kalyxo.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KaST [2] http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianControlCenter [3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-desktop/ [4] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/ [5] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kalyxo [6] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kalyxo-devel [7] http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/