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Date: December 31, 2006
From: Graham Cole <chckens-Ae9UE+oIsuU@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On 31 Dec 2006, at 10:47, Colin Humphrey wrote: > This is the 1st time I have used the ftp Daemon/server to transfer > data, I > am using it before I attempt other safer protocols such as sftp. Fair enough, but do bear in mind that the OpenSSH server is trivial to configure on Ubuntu :-) > Could you tell me what command I would have to issue when using the > "put" > command to upload files to the ftp daemon/server from the win xp > client. > This is my guess please recorrect: > > put <arbitrary file> chmod 777 This isn't quite what I was getting at. You should be able to upload files simply using "put" all being well. What I meant is that you should chmod the directory you'll be uploading to beforehand. This needs to be done on the Ubuntu machine, not via anonymous FTP. You can either use chmod from the terminal or change the permissions for the directory from the file manager. - Graham
Date: December 31, 2006
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Jonathan Lees wrote: > > > I see on the wiki page that the education project is getting started, > would it be possible to get another ubuntu mailing list going that can > be dedicated to education? I know of ============== http://www.edubuntu.org/Community edubuntu-users-nLRlyDuq1AZFpShjVBNYrg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Edubuntu Mailing Lists The Edubuntu mailing lists serves as the official communication forum for developers and users. The list server can be found at http://lists.ubuntu.com ============== these are worldwide (english) not uk specific. > I'd like our school to be a reference site for floss, but that's a > selfish goal of mine as I like using Linux. However it would be really > good to offer our students a choice between Linux and Windows at bootup. > I've toyed with the idea of using Edubuntu and our current PC's as thin > clients, they can all boot using PXE, I'm not sure if it's possible to > configure either grub or some other boot manager that will either boot > via PXE or HDD. > > Also I'm not sure about Edubuntu, is it aimed at younger kids? Ours are > 11-18, might they see it a bit immature, or can it be tailored to suit? Edubuntu has a live CD which is similar to the user workstation. this is useful to look at: http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/ 'OSS Watch promotes awareness and understanding of the legal, social, technical and economic issues that arise when educational institutions engage with free and open source software. It does this by providing unbiased advice and guidance to UK higher and further education.' also: http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/beginners.xml > Lastly, another idea. About a week ago I came across a link to a floss > program called iTALC. It allows teacher to monitor, control and perform > demonstration to a classrooms with PC's. It is practically the same as a > product used in schools called NetOP. Just this year we paid nearly > £3000 for just two rooms for NetOP! Imagine my reaction to iTALC. Anyway > this led me on to think, unless you're in the know about floss and you > keep up to date how do you know what is out there that can be used in > schools, I know of Schoolforge's software directory but it's clearly not > the be and all of floss. I added iTALC to it btw. > > Could it be possible to create a newsletter / magazine etc that would > focus on floss, reference sites etc and be sent to UK schools to educate > their IT managers/Coordinators? In my school we get the freebie papers > like IT weekly, Networking etc but they don't cover any aspect of floss > in education. might be useful: http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/softwareexamples.xml http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/digitallearners.xml > > When I'm back to work, I'll work on the IT teachers. What area of UK are you in? good luck -- Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk-nLRlyDuq1AZFpShjVBNYrg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Date: December 31, 2006
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Toby Smithe wrote: > On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 12:16 +0000, James Tait wrote: [...] > I find it astonishing that people are more prepared to support software > which they cannot see the code. We are deeply immersed in a society of Marketing an dretail advertising, with a known larg edash of hype. Our economy almost depends upon it. 'I advertise, therefore I am' (apologies to Descartes). Consequently, if I do not advertise, therefore I do not exist. The concept of OpenSource is never advertised in the million conventional retail methods. In the retail environment, Open Source does not exist. > I don't understand how debugging > happens. It doesn't, and this is why people are always complaining that > support departments are terrible. Time was that no one ever got sacked for 'buying IBM'. Now it is 'buying Microsoft'. >We can fix this! yup -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391
Date: December 31, 2006
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Alan Pope wrote: > On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 16:30 +0000, Caroline Ford wrote: >> I've heard from another email list that Canonical have a stand. Maybe >> Jono can confirm? >> > > Indeed, as I understand it there is going to be a joint Canonical / > Edubuntu stand. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BETTShow2007 Thanks, very useful. I have added myself to it -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391
Date: December 31, 2006
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On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 16:45 +0000, Alan Pope wrote: > On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 04:38:10PM +0000, Dave Briggs wrote: > > Hi guys > > > > Can anyone recommend a good Ubuntu-friendly FTP client? I used to use > > Filezilla on the other side... > > > > gftp isnt bad. > > Cheers, > A Agreed. Norman
Date: December 31, 2006
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On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 16:45 +0000, Alan Pope wrote: > gftp isnt bad. Thanks! -- Dave Briggs d@xxxxxxxxx | http://da.vebrig.gs
Date: December 31, 2006
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On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 04:38:10PM +0000, Dave Briggs wrote: > Hi guys > > Can anyone recommend a good Ubuntu-friendly FTP client? I used to use > Filezilla on the other side... > gftp isnt bad. Cheers, Al
Date: December 31, 2006
From: Dave Briggs <d@xxxxxxxxx>
Hi guys Can anyone recommend a good Ubuntu-friendly FTP client? I used to use Filezilla on the other side... Thanks -- Dave Briggs d@xxxxxxxxx | http://da.vebrig.gs
Date: December 31, 2006
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Date: December 31, 2006
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This is the 1st time I have used the ftp Daemon/server to transfer data, I am using it before I attempt other safer protocols such as sftp. Could you tell me what command I would have to issue when using the "put" command to upload files to the ftp daemon/server from the win xp client. This is my guess please recorrect: put <arbitrary file> chmod 777 _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters
Date: December 30, 2006
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On 29 Dec 2006, at 19:23, Colin Humphrey wrote: > I am connecting to ftp using an anonymous account with generic > passwd "ftp" > At present I can download files from the ubuntu ftp daemon/server > but I can not "upload" > to it or make a new directory within it. I can't say I have any experience running an FTP daemon (SCP/SFTP and the OpenSSH server fulfil most of my needs) but this screams "UNIX file permissions problem" to me. Make sure that the directory you're trying to upload to is world writable (i.e. chmod 777) as the FTP server should be running as an unprivileged user, given that you logged in anonymously. - Graham
Date: December 29, 2006
From: "Colin Humphrey" <c.humphrey_00-PkbjNfxxIAQqdlJmJB21zg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Dear all At present I am not able to upload files to an ftp daemon/server.The set up is an ubuntu machine [which is the ftp daemon/server] connected to a windows xp mahcine [which is the ftp client] over LAN.
I have changed/uncommented the necessary directives in /etc/vsftpd.conf: write enable anon_upload and the one for enabling new directory entries [forgotten name] I am connecting to ftp using an anonymous account with generic passwd "ftp" --At present I can download files from the ubuntu ftp daemon/server but I can not "upload"
to it or make a new directory within it. Any ideas Thanks in advance _________________________________________________________________MSN Hotmail is evolving ? check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com
Date: December 29, 2006
From: "Jonathan Lees" <jonathan.lees-Q8CRZD0TAq4kdMHnRTGjAukiAK3p4hvP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I see on the wiki page that the education project is getting started, would it be possible to get another ubuntu mailing list going that can be dedicated to education?
I'd like our school to be a reference site for floss, but that's a selfish goal of mine as I like using Linux. However it would be really good to offer our students a choice between Linux and Windows at bootup. I've toyed with the idea of using Edubuntu and our current PC's as thin clients, they can all boot using PXE, I'm not sure if it's possible to configure either grub or some other boot manager that will either boot via PXE or HDD.
Also I'm not sure about Edubuntu, is it aimed at younger kids? Ours are 11-18, might they see it a bit immature, or can it be tailored to suit?
Lastly, another idea. About a week ago I came across a link to a floss program called iTALC. It allows teacher to monitor, control and perform demonstration to a classrooms with PC's. It is practically the same as a product used in schools called NetOP. Just this year we paid nearly £3000 for just two rooms for NetOP! Imagine my reaction to iTALC. Anyway this led me on to think, unless you're in the know about floss and you keep up to date how do you know what is out there that can be used in schools, I know of Schoolforge's software directory but it's clearly not the be and all of floss. I added iTALC to it btw.
Could it be possible to create a newsletter / magazine etc that would focus on floss, reference sites etc and be sent to UK schools to educate their IT managers/Coordinators? In my school we get the freebie papers like IT weekly, Networking etc but they don't cover any aspect of floss in education.
When I'm back to work, I'll work on the IT teachers.
Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: ubuntu-uk-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of James Tait
Sent: Fri 12/29/2006 12:16 PM
To: British Ubuntu Talk
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179
Hi All,
There's been quite a lot of discussion about this while I've been away
over the Xmas period, and since I've been so vocal on the subject in the
past (I'm like a dog with a bone!) I'd like to offer my tuppence worth
on the subject.
Beginning with the article from Computer Active, I agree that it starts
off sounding very positive before trundling off into the
already-discussed Becta press statement, but I'll believe it when I see
it. It's no secret that this country has a pretty appalling record when
it comes to Government-led IT projects and I wouldn't expect a wholesale
switch to FLOSS in education to be any different. If it does go ahead,
we can only hope that we are able to help make it a raging success, or
risk tarnishing the image of our community terribly.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Government policy change to make
FLOSS the preferred solution except where not reasonably practical. I
just think that with the history of Government IT cock-ups, this might
just become another one, and FLOSS could end up being a very useful
scapegoat.
Jonathan Lees wrote:
> I'm an IT manager at a secondary grammar school, I use Ubuntu at work
> for a DHCP/NTP/Proxy/Filter server and at home for other activities.
> Our Desktops at school are XP Pro, they have various bits of Open
> source software such as Firefox, Audacity, The Gimp, OO, 7zip & NVU.
Personally, I think this is a good start. As the saying goes, Rome
wasn't built in a day, so exposing people to FLOSS in an evironment in
which they're familiar allows them to build confidence in, and raise
awareness of the software. Once that confidence is established, the
software makes its way onto machines at home, then other FLOSS hopefully
follows.
It also gives us the opportunity to get a "reference implementation"
going, so that we can approach other schools and colleges with a
proposal and say "we did it here and it worked well." Are there any
details of the projects at the Open University and other colleges
mentioned in the EDM? If we can get implementation details shared it
gives everyone a base from which to start, rather than re-inventing the
wheel in every school and college across the country.
> OO is offered as an alternative to MS Office, it sees about 2% usage
> from students that have it at home. Our IT teachers will not touch
> it as it involves rewriting worksheets for students which have all
> been based on MS Office. However whilst Writer and Spreadsheet
> does'nt cause problems, the database package does.
How much work would be involved in re-writing the worksheets to be
applicable to "generic" office suites rather than MS Office specifically
(Phil Bull already suggested this)? Would a community effort to re-work
them help, or even be possible?
> If resources or books were available then this would help greatly. On
> the teach-ict resources website (www.teach-ict.com/) there are no
> Open Office materials, which is a shame as the idea in school is to
> teach transferrable skills and at the moment with the database
> program it is unclear how to use it.
Again, maybe a community effort could be set up to either re-work the
existing resources to be applicable to a range of office suites, or
alternatives offered that focus on OpenOffice. I'd prefer the former,
as it promotes transferable skills rather than specific application
knowledge, but then I'm not the teacher.
> Our school cannot afford to dump all the training materials and money
> invested in resources that are geared up to MS Office and of course
> the money invested in the licences.
Understood, I expect there'd be uproar if it was presented to the public
as the school having shelled out a load of money for software which is
being dumped even though it's still usable.
> The problem will never be resolved if non teachers can't see it from
> the teachers point of view, managing a class of 31 students all with
> different abilities working at different paces and keeping to
> government guidelines as to what they should be taught and get them
> through SATS tests in ICT too. With no OO resources for teachers how
> can they be expected to teach it?
Well Jonathan, I guess you're our man on the inside then. It would be
nice if we could get some kind of co-ordinated effort going for teachers
to feed back into the FLOSS community to help us get these things right
and provide the resources and information required.
To address the point of students with different abilities, maybe the
curriculum should be changed to a split model, with a core set of
transferable skills which, if demonstrably mastered, would result in a
"pass" grade, with extra credit awarded for demonstrating more advanced
knowledge acquired by personal study?
I think that's all from me for now.
Cheers,
JT
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Date: December 29, 2006
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On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 16:30 +0000, Caroline Ford wrote: > I've heard from another email list that Canonical have a stand. Maybe > Jono can confirm? > Indeed, as I understand it there is going to be a joint Canonical / Edubuntu stand. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BETTShow2007 Cheers, Al.
Date: December 29, 2006
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On 28/12/06, alan c <aeclist-MURppvFVPpEgIZxP67a6fdBPR1lH4CV8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > nicholas butler wrote: > > Ive called the Event co-ordinator and left a message . I'll chase this > > up tommorow though unless someone else wants to hassle them as well ? > > > > Nik > > > I have registered as a visitor in the expectation I can attend. > > However, it would be great to have a contact or two at the show - > preferably exhibitor - with whom I could link up with and enhance > their own exhibit. > > 'BETT is the world's leading educational information & communications > technologies (ICT) event, attracting 600 educational suppliers and > over 28000 visitors, and bringing together the global teaching and > learning community for four days of innovations and inspirations. ' > > http://www.bettshow.com/bett/show_home1.asp > > A possibility of a Ubuntu/Edubuntu presence would be useful of course. > At least I can show we exist! > > any news about this event? I've heard from another email list that Canonical have a stand. Maybe Jono can confirm? Caroline
Date: December 29, 2006
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On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 12:16 +0000, James Tait wrote: > Hi All, > > There's been quite a lot of discussion about this while I've been away > over the Xmas period, and since I've been so vocal on the subject in the > past (I'm like a dog with a bone!) I'd like to offer my tuppence worth > on the subject. > > Beginning with the article from Computer Active, I agree that it starts > off sounding very positive before trundling off into the > already-discussed Becta press statement, but I'll believe it when I see > it. It's no secret that this country has a pretty appalling record when > it comes to Government-led IT projects and I wouldn't expect a wholesale > switch to FLOSS in education to be any different. If it does go ahead, > we can only hope that we are able to help make it a raging success, or > risk tarnishing the image of our community terribly. > > Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Government policy change to make > FLOSS the preferred solution except where not reasonably practical. I > just think that with the history of Government IT cock-ups, this might > just become another one, and FLOSS could end up being a very useful > scapegoat. It wouldn't be run by the government. As I have discovered through my various communications, schools will not accept "solutions" where there are no "support providers". Of course, open source is different to proprietary, where there are many readily available support providers. There are some for open source applications (Canonical), and we should take advantage of that at least. Or provide our own, cost-effective support, and I hardly see IRC as not cost effective! I find it astonishing that people are more prepared to support software which they cannot see the code. I don't understand how debugging happens. It doesn't, and this is why people are always complaining that support departments are terrible. We can fix this! -- Help me get to Venezuela! http://tibsplace.co.uk/venezuela
Date: December 29, 2006
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Hi All, There's been quite a lot of discussion about this while I've been away over the Xmas period, and since I've been so vocal on the subject in the past (I'm like a dog with a bone!) I'd like to offer my tuppence worth on the subject. Beginning with the article from Computer Active, I agree that it starts off sounding very positive before trundling off into the already-discussed Becta press statement, but I'll believe it when I see it. It's no secret that this country has a pretty appalling record when it comes to Government-led IT projects and I wouldn't expect a wholesale switch to FLOSS in education to be any different. If it does go ahead, we can only hope that we are able to help make it a raging success, or risk tarnishing the image of our community terribly. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Government policy change to make FLOSS the preferred solution except where not reasonably practical. I just think that with the history of Government IT cock-ups, this might just become another one, and FLOSS could end up being a very useful scapegoat. Jonathan Lees wrote: > I'm an IT manager at a secondary grammar school, I use Ubuntu at work > for a DHCP/NTP/Proxy/Filter server and at home for other activities. > Our Desktops at school are XP Pro, they have various bits of Open > source software such as Firefox, Audacity, The Gimp, OO, 7zip & NVU. Personally, I think this is a good start. As the saying goes, Rome wasn't built in a day, so exposing people to FLOSS in an evironment in which they're familiar allows them to build confidence in, and raise awareness of the software. Once that confidence is established, the software makes its way onto machines at home, then other FLOSS hopefully follows. It also gives us the opportunity to get a "reference implementation" going, so that we can approach other schools and colleges with a proposal and say "we did it here and it worked well." Are there any details of the projects at the Open University and other colleges mentioned in the EDM? If we can get implementation details shared it gives everyone a base from which to start, rather than re-inventing the wheel in every school and college across the country. > OO is offered as an alternative to MS Office, it sees about 2% usage > from students that have it at home. Our IT teachers will not touch > it as it involves rewriting worksheets for students which have all > been based on MS Office. However whilst Writer and Spreadsheet > does'nt cause problems, the database package does. How much work would be involved in re-writing the worksheets to be applicable to "generic" office suites rather than MS Office specifically (Phil Bull already suggested this)? Would a community effort to re-work them help, or even be possible? > If resources or books were available then this would help greatly. On > the teach-ict resources website (www.teach-ict.com/) there are no > Open Office materials, which is a shame as the idea in school is to > teach transferrable skills and at the moment with the database > program it is unclear how to use it. Again, maybe a community effort could be set up to either re-work the existing resources to be applicable to a range of office suites, or alternatives offered that focus on OpenOffice. I'd prefer the former, as it promotes transferable skills rather than specific application knowledge, but then I'm not the teacher. > Our school cannot afford to dump all the training materials and money > invested in resources that are geared up to MS Office and of course > the money invested in the licences. Understood, I expect there'd be uproar if it was presented to the public as the school having shelled out a load of money for software which is being dumped even though it's still usable. > The problem will never be resolved if non teachers can't see it from > the teachers point of view, managing a class of 31 students all with > different abilities working at different paces and keeping to > government guidelines as to what they should be taught and get them > through SATS tests in ICT too. With no OO resources for teachers how > can they be expected to teach it? Well Jonathan, I guess you're our man on the inside then. It would be nice if we could get some kind of co-ordinated effort going for teachers to feed back into the FLOSS community to help us get these things right and provide the resources and information required. To address the point of students with different abilities, maybe the curriculum should be changed to a split model, with a core set of transferable skills which, if demonstrably mastered, would result in a "pass" grade, with extra credit awarded for demonstrating more advanced knowledge acquired by personal study? I think that's all from me for now. Cheers, JT -- ---------------------------------------+-------------------------------- James Tait, BSc | xmpp:jayteeuk-O5ynTcojVPLAIBNNp1gK6A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Programmer and Free Software advocate | Mobile: +44 (0)7779 337596 ---------------------------------------+--------------------------------
Date: December 29, 2006
From: Dave Briggs <d@xxxxxxxxx>
I want to get the latest version of FireFox running in 6.10 - all the docs I can find online are for updating it in previous versions. I tried running FF in root (with no tabs open!) to see if I could check for updates that way, but the option was still shaded out. Has anyone managed to do this? -- Dave Briggs d@xxxxxxxxx | http://da.vebrig.gs
Date: December 28, 2006
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nicholas butler wrote: > Ive called the Event co-ordinator and left a message . I'll chase this > up tommorow though unless someone else wants to hassle them as well ? > > Nik I have registered as a visitor in the expectation I can attend. However, it would be great to have a contact or two at the show - preferably exhibitor - with whom I could link up with and enhance their own exhibit. 'BETT is the world's leading educational information & communications technologies (ICT) event, attracting 600 educational suppliers and over 28000 visitors, and bringing together the global teaching and learning community for four days of innovations and inspirations. ' http://www.bettshow.com/bett/show_home1.asp A possibility of a Ubuntu/Edubuntu presence would be useful of course. At least I can show we exist! any news about this event? Olympia 10, 11, 12, 13 Jan 2007 -- Alan Cocks Kubuntu user#10391
Date: December 28, 2006
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On 28 Dec 2006, at 15:14, Dave Briggs wrote: > Thanks for all the help getting the web working, guys. This is my > first > email that's sent from Evolution - it's quite nice, I have to say! > > Couple of quick newbie questions: > > 1) Do I need to install any anti-virus/malware or firewall software on > Ubuntu? I would install chkrootkit and rkhunter for detecting rootkits if you have any services open to the Internet, a nice easy firewall is firestarter. Of course if you have a DSL router and don't open any services to the Internet you don't need them.
Date: December 28, 2006
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1) Do I need to install any anti-virus/malware or firewall software on
Ubuntu?
Date: December 28, 2006
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On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 16:42 +0000, baza wrote: > On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 16:36 +0000, Dave Briggs wrote: > > Hi, me again guys. Sorry for bombarding the list like this... > > > > I want to mount my Windows partition so that I can copy all my photos > > and music across. I found the instructions at http://tinyurl.com/yhhcsp > > and have followed 'Method 1' - but nothing seems to be happening. > > Try having a look here, http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Windows Spot on. Thanks dude. -- Dave Briggs d@xxxxxxxxx | http://da.vebrig.gs
Date: December 28, 2006
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On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 15:43 +0000, baza wrote: > On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 15:14 +0000, Dave Briggs wrote: > > 1) Do I need to install any anti-virus/malware or firewall software on > > Ubuntu? > > > > Hi, you don't really need a anti virus, but a firewall is always a good > idea. If you don't need an anti-virus, then it follows that by default Ubuntu doesn't need a firewall either. Firewalls are used to block incoming and/or outgoing network traffic. Ubuntu doesn't have any services open by default, so the only traffic should be solicited: ie, that you've initiated yourself (for example web browsing). Viruses often open ports, creating holes which do need blocking by the firewall, but - as you do not need an anti-virus - you shouldn't need a firewall to block this traffic (which you do not have). Thus, Ubuntu doesn't - by default - need a firewall. -- Help me get to Venezuela! http://tibsplace.co.uk/venezuela
Date: December 28, 2006
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On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 16:36 +0000, Dave Briggs wrote: > Hi, me again guys. Sorry for bombarding the list like this... > > I want to mount my Windows partition so that I can copy all my photos > and music across. I found the instructions at http://tinyurl.com/yhhcsp > and have followed 'Method 1' - but nothing seems to be happening. > > Here are the steps I've taken. Try having a look here, http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Windows Baz -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://walkertopia.com/blog Cock, lock and ready to rock! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Date: December 28, 2006
From: Dave Briggs <d@xxxxxxxxx>
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On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 16:21 +0000, chombee wrote: > I believe f-spot can do that. There is also GThumb installed with > Ubuntu, a venerable old program, not as cool as f-spot, but works. I had > a Windows convert recently who did a lot of photography and found f-spot > wasn't up to his standards. He was used to Apple's iPhoto or iView or > whatever. I told him to install Google's Picasa and he was happy with > that. I have to admit, though not free software, Picasa is very, very > good, and much better than f-spot. Picasa is on version 2.0 while f-spot > is at about 0.2, so it's hardly surprising. F-spot will catch up. I used Picasa on Windows, and it is pretty nice to use. I don't like the Web albums though, and being able to upload straight to Flickr would be extra cool. I'll give Fspot a go, I think. > A great site if you are looking for GTK/GNOME applications is > http://www.gnomefiles.org/ Thanks for all the tips, everyone. -- Dave Briggs d@xxxxxxxxx | http://da.vebrig.gs
Date: December 28, 2006
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Hi, me again guys. Sorry for bombarding the list like this... I want to mount my Windows partition so that I can copy all my photos and music across. I found the instructions at http://tinyurl.com/yhhcsp and have followed 'Method 1' - but nothing seems to be happening. Here are the steps I've taken. dave@dave-desktop:~$ sudo fdisk -l Password: Disk /dev/hda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 1 493 3959991 12 Compaq diagnostics /dev/hda2 * 494 14147 109675755 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/hda3 14148 23967 78879150 83 Linux /dev/hda4 23968 24321 2843505 5 Extended /dev/hda5 23968 24321 2843473+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris dave@dave-desktop:~$ gksudo gedit /etc/pmount.allow # /etc/pmount.allow # pmount will allow users to additionally mount all devices that are # listed here. /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 But when I go into 'Computer' the Windows partition just isn't there, even after rebooting, so I can't mount them. Any ideas? -- Dave Briggs d@xxxxxxxxx | http://da.vebrig.gs
Date: December 28, 2006
From: chombee <chombee-mOBtk8rjKVpiLUuM0BA3LQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 15:14 +0000, Dave Briggs wrote: > Thanks for all the help getting the web working, guys. This is my first > email that's sent from Evolution - it's quite nice, I have to say! Welcome! :) > 1) Do I need to install any anti-virus/malware or firewall software on > Ubuntu? Short answer: No. I never use any. I've been using Ubuntu since day one and Linux even longer than that, and have never seen a virus, spyware etc. Never heard of anyone having one either. That's not to say they don't exist, but they're extremely rare. Rare enough not to worry about for a personal computer IMHO. There is anti-virus and firewall software available if you want to be really secure though. Someone else will have to give you specific recommendations. > 2) I have F-Spot preinstalled, but is there a better photo manager > available? I'm sure I've read somewhere that there is one out there that > can send photos to Flickr - that would be cool. I believe f-spot can do that. There is also GThumb installed with Ubuntu, a venerable old program, not as cool as f-spot, but works. I had a Windows convert recently who did a lot of photography and found f-spot wasn't up to his standards. He was used to Apple's iPhoto or iView or whatever. I told him to install Google's Picasa and he was happy with that. I have to admit, though not free software, Picasa is very, very good, and much better than f-spot. Picasa is on version 2.0 while f-spot is at about 0.2, so it's hardly surprising. F-spot will catch up. Anyway you download Picasa for Linux here: http://picasa.google.com/linux/ You want the 'Free Download (.deb) - for Debian/Ubuntu x86' version from the download page, which you can install on Ubuntu by double-clicking it. > 3) Is there any problem with running KDE apps on Gnome in Ubuntu? Does > it lose performance or crash? They work fine performance and reliability wise. The fonts and icons don't look quite as nice as they do in KDE, or as GNOME apps do in GNOME, I think. And if you install a KDE app, it will often install a lot of KDE libraries that it needs instead of just using the available GNOME libraries as a GNOME app would, adding a bit of bloat, though you won't notice any effect from this unless you have really low disk space or something. > 4) Can anyone recommend an offline blog editor and RSS aggregator? Blog editors: BloGTK http://blogtk.sourceforge.net/ , Drivel http://www.dropline.net/drivel/ , and others, but this really depends what blog software or site you're using. RSS: Liferea is probably the best or at least most obvious choice http://liferea.sourceforge.net/ , also good are Blam http://developer.imendio.com/projects/blam ,RSSOwl http://www.rssowl.org/ (impressive feature list), Straw http://www.gnome.org/projects/straw/ and YARSSR http://yarssr.sourceforge.net/ , and there are many more too. All of those should be installable via Applications->Add/Remove or System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager on Ubuntu. A great site if you are looking for GTK/GNOME applications is http://www.gnomefiles.org/ -- chombee-mOBtk8rjKVpiLUuM0BA3LQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: December 28, 2006
From: Tristan Wibberley <tristan-QyW/3k3R+P+xbKUeIHjxjQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 15:14 +0000, Dave Briggs wrote: > 2) I have F-Spot preinstalled, but is there a better photo manager > available? I'm sure I've read somewhere that there is one out there that > can send photos to Flickr - that would be cool. f-spot has that facility (File->Export->Export to Flickr) -- Tristan Wibberley Disclaimer bullshit ... employer not responsible ... my own opinions ... blah blah blah.
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:43:55 +0000, baza <baza-j1TgZIZYYiO5vRuHWIf/+cVJakVUDuFD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Can't help with question four. > > Baz Liferea is a nice RSS reader.
Date: December 28, 2006
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On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 15:14 +0000, Dave Briggs wrote: > Thanks for all the help getting the web working, guys. This is my first > email that's sent from Evolution - it's quite nice, I have to say! > > Couple of quick newbie questions: > > 1) Do I need to install any anti-virus/malware or firewall software on > Ubuntu? > > 2) I have F-Spot preinstalled, but is there a better photo manager > available? I'm sure I've read somewhere that there is one out there that > can send photos to Flickr - that would be cool. > > 3) Is there any problem with running KDE apps on Gnome in Ubuntu? Does > it lose performance or crash? > > 4) Can anyone recommend an offline blog editor and RSS aggregator? Hi, you don't really need a anti virus, but a firewall is always a good idea. For photos I use Picasa, nice and easy yet does all I want. KDE apps will work fine under Gnome. Can't help with question four. Baz -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://walkertopia.com/blog Cock, lock and ready to rock! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Date: December 28, 2006
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On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 10:27 +0000, Dave Briggs wrote: > On 12/28/06, Tristan Wibberley > <tristan-QyW/3k3R+P+xbKUeIHjxjQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Does that mean the resolv.conf file got reset? This will be a problem > > for you, so it'll need sorting properly. > > > > Try adding the following line to the file /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (via > > `sudo gedit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf`): > > > > prepend domain-name-servers 62.241.162.200 62.241.163.200; > > Yes, it was resetting, and yes, that sorted it out. I've just been reading up a bit. Since your modem's DNS is known bad, it might be a better idea to exclude the DHCP provided nameserver list entirely rather than just prepending to it. If replacing "prepend" in the line above with "supersede" works as well, then that would be a better solution. The resolv.conf file should then only list the two ISP DNS servers and not list the modem at all after the next reboot. > You are a good man, Tristan! Thanks :) -- Tristan Any opinion expressed is mine (or else I'm playing devils advocate for the sake of a good argument). My employer had nothing to do with this communication.
Date: December 28, 2006
From: Dave Briggs <d@xxxxxxxxx>
Thanks for all the help getting the web working, guys. This is my first email that's sent from Evolution - it's quite nice, I have to say! Couple of quick newbie questions: 1) Do I need to install any anti-virus/malware or firewall software on Ubuntu? 2) I have F-Spot preinstalled, but is there a better photo manager available? I'm sure I've read somewhere that there is one out there that can send photos to Flickr - that would be cool. 3) Is there any problem with running KDE apps on Gnome in Ubuntu? Does it lose performance or crash? 4) Can anyone recommend an offline blog editor and RSS aggregator? Cheers! -- Dave Briggs d@xxxxxxxxx | http://da.vebrig.gs
Date: December 28, 2006
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On 12/28/06, Tristan Wibberley <tristan-QyW/3k3R+P+xbKUeIHjxjQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Does that mean the resolv.conf file got reset? This will be a problem > for you, so it'll need sorting properly. > > Try adding the following line to the file /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (via > `sudo gedit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf`): > > prepend domain-name-servers 62.241.162.200 62.241.163.200; Yes, it was resetting, and yes, that sorted it out. You are a good man, Tristan! -- Dave Briggs
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On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 00:46 +0000, Dave Briggs wrote: > On 12/28/06, Tristan Wibberley > <tristan-QyW/3k3R+P+xbKUeIHjxjQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Note that next time you reboot, the resolv.conf file could be reset. > > Please set up the ISPs nameservers again and post back here if that > > happens. Also, I suggest reporting this GUI problem at launchpad.net if > > you can figure out how. > > Of course. Working again now! Does that mean the resolv.conf file got reset? This will be a problem for you, so it'll need sorting properly. Try adding the following line to the file /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (via `sudo gedit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf`): prepend domain-name-servers 62.241.162.200 62.241.163.200; I'm not a dhcp expert so hopefully somebody could confirm that this line will cause those two nameservers to be placed in /etc/resolv.conf every time you get a lease from the modem, and before the modem is listed in resolv.conf. -- Tristan Any opinion expressed is mine (or else I'm playing devils advocate for the sake of a good argument). My employer had nothing to do with this communication.
Date: December 28, 2006
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On 12/28/06, Tristan Wibberley <tristan-QyW/3k3R+P+xbKUeIHjxjQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Note that next time you reboot, the resolv.conf file could be reset. > Please set up the ISPs nameservers again and post back here if that > happens. Also, I suggest reporting this GUI problem at launchpad.net if > you can figure out how. Of course. Working again now! -- Dave Briggs
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On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 00:18 +0000, Dave Briggs wrote: > Only now it said it was installing some updates, and nothing is > working (menus etc) except for this FireFox window... should I be > worried? Hm, odd. I'd suggest waiting until the updates seem to have finished installing (ie, disk becomes quiescent) then press Ctl-Alt-Backspace (should restart the GUI with prejudice). Note that next time you reboot, the resolv.conf file could be reset. Please set up the ISPs nameservers again and post back here if that happens. Also, I suggest reporting this GUI problem at launchpad.net if you can figure out how. -- Tristan Any opinion expressed is mine (or else I'm playing devils advocate for the sake of a good argument). My employer had nothing to do with this communication.
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On 12/28/06, Dave Briggs <d@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Only now it said it was installing some updates, and nothing is > working (menus etc) except for this FireFox window... should I be > worried? The whole computer seized up completely and now the internet has disappeared again. Am pretty fed up! -- Dave Briggs
Date: December 28, 2006
From: "Dave Briggs" <d@xxxxxxxxx>
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Only now it said it was installing some updates, and nothing is working (menus etc) except for this FireFox window... should I be worried? On 12/28/06, Dave Briggs <d@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 12/27/06, Tristan Wibberley > <tristan-QyW/3k3R+P+xbKUeIHjxjQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > You previously showed that your resolv.conf had your modem as the first > > nameserver with your ISPs DNS servers as second and third. Could you try > > moving the modem's IP to after the ISPs nameservers in your resolv.conf > > then restarting your web browser. > > Am posting this from within Ubuntu! Thanks so much! > > -- > Dave Briggs > -- Dave Briggs
Date: December 28, 2006
From: "Dave Briggs" <d@xxxxxxxxx>
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On 12/27/06, Tristan Wibberley <tristan-QyW/3k3R+P+xbKUeIHjxjQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > You previously showed that your resolv.conf had your modem as the first > nameserver with your ISPs DNS servers as second and third. Could you try > moving the modem's IP to after the ISPs nameservers in your resolv.conf > then restarting your web browser. Am posting this from within Ubuntu! Thanks so much! -- Dave Briggs
Date: December 27, 2006
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